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the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the democrats are anxious. they are embracing the fiscal cliff. we got obamaened a democrats in the conservative thunder bird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can raise taxes. they can cut military spending and they can blame the g.o.p. when the g.o.p. is doing the smart thing here wanted pointing the finger at the real problem, which is out of control spending. fixing this problem is not going to be easy but it's not complicated. we can't rely on raising taxes. we have to focus on cutting spending. that's what republicans are doing. even more so with geithner pointing out warning us o
the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the...
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tea party hasn't been discussed much with the fiscal cliff. signing how anyone with give them credit. they've lost supporters in florida they're down to a third of who they had. >> don't you think they had jobs so they moved on? like that is the one -- the distraction they have is that they work for a live something. >> they don't have luxury to go hang out and park. they have jobs. in this economy some are working three jobs trying to feed their family but they have influence and hold the ability to ruin a political politician's career by not voting for them again. it doesn't mean they don't have influence f they didn't have influence we'd have a deal right now. it's small government, low taxes preventing this deal from happening. >> they have so much influence they hurt the republicans into winning back the senate. >> no. no. they hold them acat kthable. >> they have -- so many idiots you can name, read it there, thank goodness for a tea party opponent he had. >> no. absolutely not. >> no? >> the poll is not responsible for. they hold republ
tea party hasn't been discussed much with the fiscal cliff. signing how anyone with give them credit. they've lost supporters in florida they're down to a third of who they had. >> don't you think they had jobs so they moved on? like that is the one -- the distraction they have is that they work for a live something. >> they don't have luxury to go hang out and park. they have jobs. in this economy some are working three jobs trying to feed their family but they have influence and...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive from our friends in the press. i really have no idea. >> -- to try to prove this. what are you hearing from the other side? >> i think your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of ours, and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of theirs. >> we haven't had an opportunity to talk to their leadership at this point in time. >> you said a moment ago you would prefer a straight up or down vote on that. >> absolutely. >> is that because of the time, or is that because it is a deal brokered by the vice president? >> no, it was a bill that was passed in the united stat
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive...
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he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> now, what the president s correct about s that in the negotiations with speaker boehner in recent weeks the president was giving on social security and med did i kay changes that democrats were not excited about but speaker benito walked away -- but speaker boehner walked away from those negotiations. senator mitch mcconnell said in the last couple of days when got a phone call from the president saying let's try to come back to the table and work this out. mcconnell said that is the first time he heard
he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of...
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not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like to play a game called seal a new deal. go around the table. >> andrea: taken. >> kimberly: it has? >> andrea: yeah, sorry. >> kimberly: we play this and begin with you. let me know what you think. deal or no deal by the time of the deadline? >> no deal. meeting with the political theater. >> kimberly: andrea? >> andrea: no deal. >> kimberly: he doesn't want one. he is all for -- >> eric: there probably will be something early january. >> eric: it will be a bad deal. squishy republicans -- actually you are mad at everybody. mad at republicans and democrats. >> eric: lawmakers in
not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like...
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obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was pounding the same message again and again f. we go up the fiscal cliff for not meeting them halfway. >>> not because democrats and congre congre congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but i think it has been hard for speaker boehner and republican mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest should go up a little bit sweas well as a deficit reduction package. if they can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation to make sure the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> republicans are expressing frustration sa
obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was...
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republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. the senate majority leader offered this update a short time ago. >>> i was really gratified to hear republica
republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about...
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way forward on the fiscal cliff. we got this from another house republican a few moments ago. >> we're going over the cliff because frankly i believe it is what the president wants. if you go back and look how he has handled this negotiation from the very beginning, go back and look what his own administration has been telling him for years. that tax rates need to go up on everybody. this has been the president's position i believe from the very beginning and i think that's where we'll end up. >> reporter: the president suggested a christmas holiday, maybe a cooling-off period, a time for lawmakers to go home and think what they want to do about the fiscal cliff. it sounds like post-christmas everybody is more pessimistic than ever. harris? harris: they have got travel woes too right now. there are people who might want to get back to washington and can't as they wait for certain snowstorms to move along. mike, thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. jon: you knew the fiscal cliff could hit you hard in the paych
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cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out now is that all our taxes, every single income level is going to go up january 1st if no deal is struck. the democrats, i assume, intend to paint that as a republicans have raised all your taxes and blame republicans. so i don't think the democrats see this as a win for the republicans. >> no. i think that's right. i think that's fine and let it happen because ultimately all of these folks that signed the pledge, and some people that sign a pledge, whether you like the pledge or not, i mean, they sort of feel committed to it. now the tacks go up for a short period of time and then they give a tax red
cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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i think was party a signal to republicans and a bit of a threat to republicans that if you don't sign onto this deal, this is what you will see again and again and again in the new year ahead of the fiscal cliff debate number two which is the debt ceiling back and forth. that the president is promising to campaign as he has across the country with folks just like that behind him probably in different districts and going after republicans. that is the signal they are trying to send with those optics. what he said, he really focused on the taxes as he has pretty much throughout speaking about how important the tax increases on the upper tier are. did not talk a lot about the spending cuts. there are no additional spending cuts in this package from what we have heard from ed henry and our people up on capitol hill. this is a major problem. we just received, mike emanuel received a hard copy of a letter sent by e-mail by senate minority leader mitchell mcconnell updating them on negotiations. here is what nor mcconnell says about the situation. the subject is fiscal cliff update. colleagu
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going over the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, the president talked about it today. >> democrats and republicans in congress have to get this done. but they are not there yet. they are close. but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you are supposed to do, they will use that second. >> we will continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending but let's not let that hold up and protect americans from the tax hike to take place in ten hours. ten hours from now. we can do this. we must do this. >> bret: it's not clear whether they can. it's not clear whether that is all of them believe they must. bring in the panel. jonah goldburg. kirsten powers if for daily beast. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. begin with the president's statement today that happened mid-day. he framed it as ed henry said as campaign style event. middle class families behind him. didn't have a lot of details and has had the
going over the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, the president talked about it today. >> democrats and republicans in congress have to get this done. but they are not there yet. they are close. but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you are supposed to do, they will use that second. >> we will continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending but let's not let that hold...
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. >> a lot of people may argue that congress does not deserve a raise considering this fiscal cliff situation and the breaking news is no voice in the house tonight. how will it end up? >>reporter: it will end up how we have always known which is republicans are going to agree to an increase in the tax rates for the highest earners. in exchange they will not get a lot. but there will be an agreement. they are haggling over the amount, $250,000 to $400,000, around that and concerns about sequestration cuts. i have talked to senator whose say they could live with the taxes but the automatic across-the-board cuts especially in defense, because the sequestration cuts are divides half between defense and half the rest of discretionary spending, that is disproportionate hit on defense so a lot of republicans, some democrats, too, are worried. >> thank you so much. >> my preference would have been to solve all the problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain, whatever you want to call it works this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this ti
. >> a lot of people may argue that congress does not deserve a raise considering this fiscal cliff situation and the breaking news is no voice in the house tonight. how will it end up? >>reporter: it will end up how we have always known which is republicans are going to agree to an increase in the tax rates for the highest earners. in exchange they will not get a lot. but there will be an agreement. they are haggling over the amount, $250,000 to $400,000, around that and concerns...
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heather: what could finally bring democrats and republicans together on a fiscal cliff deal if anything. we'll take a look as we await word from capitol hill. >> this is what will go up year? >> yes. january 1st, that is when your taxes will go up. >> wow! wow!. wow is not wow. >> wow is wow! that is insane [ ship horn blows ] no, no, no! stop! humans. one day we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... not so much. but that's okay -- you're covered with great ideas like optional better car replacement from liberty mutual insurance. total your car and we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. learn about it at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? heather: welcome back. a nationwide amber alert comes to an end after two missing boys from georgia are found and their father is arrested. benjamin cleary, he is there on the right, he is nine, and his brother henry is seven years old. investigators say their father, daniel cleary, abducted them after the boys visited him for christmas. police in austin, texas, described how
heather: what could finally bring democrats and republicans together on a fiscal cliff deal if anything. we'll take a look as we await word from capitol hill. >> this is what will go up year? >> yes. january 1st, that is when your taxes will go up. >> wow! wow!. wow is not wow. >> wow is wow! that is insane [ ship horn blows ] no, no, no! stop! humans. one day we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... not so much. but that's okay -- you're covered with...
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the fiscal cliff happening right now. what kind of government should we have and what sort of taxes and spending and who should pay what and end the year with a story about everything that touching scenion do with government that we have been arguing about since the start of the election. >> greta: let's have some fun stuff. linn sanity. >> i particularly enjoyed linn sanity. a wonderful story because he was a guy who came from out of no where who had been cut, released, overlooked by other people but also just didn't fit the type of an nba star are that we see in the modern era. an asian american. a short guy who basically took hold of the team in the biggest media market in the country and led the new york nixon this terrific winning streak. petered out a little bit. still needs to work on turnovers. having mixed success in houston. that was sentimentally that was my favorite story of the year. >> greta: for 2013, pay attention to africa. you mentioned the arab spring but i think africa is and what is going on there wil
the fiscal cliff happening right now. what kind of government should we have and what sort of taxes and spending and who should pay what and end the year with a story about everything that touching scenion do with government that we have been arguing about since the start of the election. >> greta: let's have some fun stuff. linn sanity. >> i particularly enjoyed linn sanity. a wonderful story because he was a guy who came from out of no where who had been cut, released, overlooked...
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what a republican saying about the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations? reporter: they have been pretty quiet so far. we know the speaker of the house and the republican leadership team in the house is due for a conference call with members that are still back in their home districts later this hour. we expect senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to be on the senate floor. the top of the next hour, so we should get some insight from him as well. some of the aides have suggested that eerie read should talk less and legislate more. meanwhile, a house republicans suggested -- well, it's not so good. >> the house is actually extend these tax rates for everybody in the entire country, which is exactly the correct policy as we see it. we send it to the senate, the senate refuses to take it up. the senate can fix this today if they wanted to. >> the bottom line is that republicans are expecting that the white house and/or democrats on the hill will make a final offer of some sort at some point. but timing is not clear. not at this time. greg: mike emanuel li
what a republican saying about the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations? reporter: they have been pretty quiet so far. we know the speaker of the house and the republican leadership team in the house is due for a conference call with members that are still back in their home districts later this hour. we expect senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to be on the senate floor. the top of the next hour, so we should get some insight from him as well. some of the aides have suggested that...
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cliff. we're total any potential deals hinges on what happens in the meeting. details on that ahead. >>> a man under arrest at a police station struggles with cops, gets a gun and shoots three officers before they take him out. that's coming up. >>> an f.b.i.'s file on marilyn monroe minus main redactions. what the documents say about her suspected ties to communist. >>> that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." >>> we begin with a fox urgent. i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith. a face-to-face meeting at the white house getting under way right now. one that could determine whether or not our nation plunges right off the fiscal cliff. take a live look at the white house where president obama called the top house and senate leaders from both parties to try and hammer out a deal avoiding the tax hikes and crippling spending cuts. remember analysts say falling off the fiscal cliff could drive the u.s. into another recession. more than a month has passed since
cliff. we're total any potential deals hinges on what happens in the meeting. details on that ahead. >>> a man under arrest at a police station struggles with cops, gets a gun and shoots three officers before they take him out. that's coming up. >>> an f.b.i.'s file on marilyn monroe minus main redactions. what the documents say about her suspected ties to communist. >>> that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." >>> we...
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the senate is working on issues other than the fiscal cliff. the house doesn't return until sunday. president obama got back today but no significant progress towards a deal. democrats and republicans are fighting about process and issues. republicans want democrats to come up with a new proposal. house republicans say sign on to their proposal, keeping tax ritz rates where they are. when it comes to this impasse, both sides have taken to blaming one another. >> the house of representatives is operating without the house of representative. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. not allowing the vast majority of the house represents to get what they want. if the 250 would be brought up, it would pass overwhelmingly. >> we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and so now here we are five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. >> even if democrats and republicans, their leadership and the president, were to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff, it will take a couple days for the senate to work through it, the house to work thr
the senate is working on issues other than the fiscal cliff. the house doesn't return until sunday. president obama got back today but no significant progress towards a deal. democrats and republicans are fighting about process and issues. republicans want democrats to come up with a new proposal. house republicans say sign on to their proposal, keeping tax ritz rates where they are. when it comes to this impasse, both sides have taken to blaming one another. >> the house of...
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as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in the coming hours as people try to sell this over in the house. house republicans voted to extend all the bush tax cuts, but harry reid never took that up. and so this is the only vehicle possible to avoid a massive tax hike for the entire country, rick. rick: well, we'll see what happens over the next several hours, and i have a feeling you and i will be talking again throughout the day. happy new year to you, mike. see you again soon. heather: that final deal was hashed out by senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. here's the vice president on capitol hill last night just before t
as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in...
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so can we expect a deal here or is the nation heading over the fiscal cliff? >> we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat-controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel... of pepto-bismol to-go. >> gregg: time for a quick check of the headlines. police have a suspect in custody in new york city's deadly subway push. the woman apparently made statements implicating herself in thursday's murder of a 46-year-old man. >>> same sex marriages are now legal in the state of maine. the law went into effect at midnight and authorities immediately began issuing licenses and performing weddings. >>> a french court rejecting a 75% millionaire's income tax scheduled to begin in 2013. the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work beh
so can we expect a deal here or is the nation heading over the fiscal cliff? >> we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat-controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel... of pepto-bismol to-go. >> gregg: time for a quick check...
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and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the fiscal cliff. we go off the cliff. tax cuts expire, sequestration, they kick it down the road. if president obama then says i'm going to put in tax cuts for anyone making under $250,000 a year. i'm going to call them obama tax cuts. wil
and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed...
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this fiscal cliff, we will immediately face another fiscal cliff, if you will. the debt ceiling, noting that are dead is not sustainable. so portman does not sound impressed by talk of a small package to get through this initial fiscal cliff. worried about the long-term impact of our unsustainable debt. greg: our markets are taking a little bit of a head. falling on wall street, the market is on track for its fifth consecutive decline. investors feared that the fallout will have a tremendous effect on what is already a fragile economic recovery. stephen moore joins us. when economic growth was comparatively pretty good, this the president said no, now you don't want to raise tax rates because the economy is fragile. gdp is worse now, is that? >> i think almost exactly two years ago, the president said the economy is too fragile to raise taxes on anyone. so what you have essentially was a deal that was put together. remember back in december of 2010 when we were facing a very similar situation where they agreed to extend all the tax cuts for two years. by the way
this fiscal cliff, we will immediately face another fiscal cliff, if you will. the debt ceiling, noting that are dead is not sustainable. so portman does not sound impressed by talk of a small package to get through this initial fiscal cliff. worried about the long-term impact of our unsustainable debt. greg: our markets are taking a little bit of a head. falling on wall street, the market is on track for its fifth consecutive decline. investors feared that the fallout will have a tremendous...
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juliet: coming up, are republicans likely to agree to the fiscal cliff deal? the senate has just put on the table? we'll talk to our senior capitol hill editor chad pergram up next. lawmakers have bans on plastic water bottles. business owners will pay the price. they're not happy about this. we'll be right back. ♪ . excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobile app. because for every 2 pounds you lose through diet and exercise, alli can help you lose one more by blocking some of the fat you eat. let's fight fat with alli. ♪ juliet: well-come back. 22 minutes past the hour. some quick headlines. everybody get ready to pay more in taxes. five new taxes g
juliet: coming up, are republicans likely to agree to the fiscal cliff deal? the senate has just put on the table? we'll talk to our senior capitol hill editor chad pergram up next. lawmakers have bans on plastic water bottles. business owners will pay the price. they're not happy about this. we'll be right back. ♪ . excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my...
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: right. >> -- if this whole fiscal cliff disaster happens. patti ann: now how was it spun this way? there's a lot more being negotiated than just those tax rates for wealthy people. what about the fact that we have the $16 trillion debt, and these plans hardly do anything to address it? why is that not the focus? >> yeah, they do almost nothing to address it. even if the president got what he wanted in taxes which is raising taxes on americans who make above $250,000 a year, i think it would be about $850 billion over the next ten years, it wouldn't even be one year's deficit. so there, i mean, there are a lot of other things involved. republicans have demanded real spending cuts, mostly spending cuts in the entitlement programs. and what we've seen in the past few weeks is as that has been discussed among democrats, there's been a hardening of opinion that they really do not want to make any cuts or any trims really in any of the big entitlement programs, medicare, medicaid and social security. patti ann: all right. well, byron york, that's
: right. >> -- if this whole fiscal cliff disaster happens. patti ann: now how was it spun this way? there's a lot more being negotiated than just those tax rates for wealthy people. what about the fact that we have the $16 trillion debt, and these plans hardly do anything to address it? why is that not the focus? >> yeah, they do almost nothing to address it. even if the president got what he wanted in taxes which is raising taxes on americans who make above $250,000 a year, i...
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ben bernanke's guy who coined the phrase fiscal cliff. he says if we fall off of it in seven or eight days, that's going to lead to yet another recession. >> well, and that's why, and that's why the president ask speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell and harry reid need to come back and make sure their membership -- boehner couldn't deliver the other day -- make sure the membership, and by the way, boehner may have to go with democrats plus a minority of republicans to get the job done. gregg: yeah. >> this is about the welfare of this country, not about the welfare of a political party. gregg: all right. brad, the fiscal cliff is one of the reasons why people are so incredibly gloomy about the future, and, you know, dick's making the point here when speaker john boehner can't even get his own party to follow him and put up a vote on his plan, i mean, aren't republicans equally to blame for the public's profound pessimism? >> well, we have a divided nation, that is for sure. this president has not done his job in leading, and had he done hi
ben bernanke's guy who coined the phrase fiscal cliff. he says if we fall off of it in seven or eight days, that's going to lead to yet another recession. >> well, and that's why, and that's why the president ask speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell and harry reid need to come back and make sure their membership -- boehner couldn't deliver the other day -- make sure the membership, and by the way, boehner may have to go with democrats plus a minority of republicans to get the job done....
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we have passed a bill to deal with the fiscal cliff. harry reid is becoming the ultimate cliff diver here by saying we're not going to even let our house, the senate house function. we're going to dive off the cliff and blame the republicans at every ledge down the way. gregg: cliff diving a new political sport. and senator lindsey graham also speaking out suggesting that he doubts that anything will get done during today's last-minute washington meeting. take a listen. >> anytime you announce a meeting publicly in washington it usually for political theater purposes. nothing good ever cops from it. there is one then you have to do in politics. if a president meets with a foreign leader you want to make sure you know what will happen at the meeting. when the president calls congressional leaders to the white house it is all political theater or they have a deal. my bet it is all political theater. gregg: senator graham warned he thinks our nation will go over the cliff and president's offer to fix it does nothing other than, quote, this
we have passed a bill to deal with the fiscal cliff. harry reid is becoming the ultimate cliff diver here by saying we're not going to even let our house, the senate house function. we're going to dive off the cliff and blame the republicans at every ledge down the way. gregg: cliff diving a new political sport. and senator lindsey graham also speaking out suggesting that he doubts that anything will get done during today's last-minute washington meeting. take a listen. >> anytime you...
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we may have the first sign of progress on the fiscal cliff. >> huh? >> listen up. just minutes ago on "fox news sunday" republican senator are lindsay graham said this. >> i think people don't want to go over the cliff if we can avoid it. what have we he accomplished? political victory for the president. he stood his ground. will get tax rate increases maybe not at 250 but on upper income americans and the sad news for the country is we accomplished very little in term its of not becoming greece or getting out of debt. this won't affect the debt situation. >> sort of hats off, wink, wink. >> the president told "meet the press" they hope to get a deal condon in the next 48 hours. >>> police say a guy broke into a woman's home and drove her to the bank of america branch where she worked. she triggered an alarm but the suspect escaped before police arrived. it took the bomb squad three hours to remove the device from her neck. she did escape unharmed luckily. >> a best friend becomes a hero after rescuing a boy who fell through the ice in iowa. they were walking on a
we may have the first sign of progress on the fiscal cliff. >> huh? >> listen up. just minutes ago on "fox news sunday" republican senator are lindsay graham said this. >> i think people don't want to go over the cliff if we can avoid it. what have we he accomplished? political victory for the president. he stood his ground. will get tax rate increases maybe not at 250 but on upper income americans and the sad news for the country is we accomplished very little in...
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about the fiscal cliff and the markets out there again could be very, very harsh if there is no deal. so i don't know about christmas cheer but i think there are certain political realities that say there's got to be something done, even if it's a temporary patch that allows them to say we're going to have the big vote in terms of the cuts and tax hikes and reform, you know, in a few weeks. but they have got to do something in the short term or they're going to be dire consequences. i don't think that is any hyperbole, kelly, it is just the truth. kelly: just the truth. bottom line so i let you go, what is your next guess, deal or no deal? >> i think they get some kind of deal. it may pass the january 1st, december 31st deadline to get the house vote but i think you will see something done. kelly: maybe a pared down version but something will get done. kelly, have a happy holiday. >> you too, juan. jamie: the taliban is claiming responsibility for a homicide car bombing in khost. it is at the very same base where seven cia employees were killed three years ago by a jordanian homicide
about the fiscal cliff and the markets out there again could be very, very harsh if there is no deal. so i don't know about christmas cheer but i think there are certain political realities that say there's got to be something done, even if it's a temporary patch that allows them to say we're going to have the big vote in terms of the cuts and tax hikes and reform, you know, in a few weeks. but they have got to do something in the short term or they're going to be dire consequences. i don't...
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right now on capitol hill we are hearing there is progress in the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. we've heard this before and we are hours away from massive tax hikes and spending cuts set to kick in at midnight. republican senator lindseys joih all his thoughts on the matter. welcome, senator, great to have you here today. >> glad to be with you. uma: let's talk for a moment. we don't even have a deal yet and you're already conceding this is a victory for the president. why? >> it will be. i mean no republican wants to raise tax rates. in 2010 the president said we needed to extend all the bush tax cuts because the economy was week. in 2012 the last day he's pushing to raise tax rates. the economy is still weak. it's all politics, he won the election. he said he come pained on raising tax rates on americans who make mourn 250,000. at the end of the day he'll probably get that victory. it will be a hollow victory because raising tax rates is not going to help job creation and it's certainly not going to get us out of debt. here is the question i asked on "fox news sunday," what ar
right now on capitol hill we are hearing there is progress in the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. we've heard this before and we are hours away from massive tax hikes and spending cuts set to kick in at midnight. republican senator lindseys joih all his thoughts on the matter. welcome, senator, great to have you here today. >> glad to be with you. uma: let's talk for a moment. we don't even have a deal yet and you're already conceding this is a victory for the president. why? >> it...
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countdown to the fiscal cliff. there are some signs of hope this morning. and it oob thanks to republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. peter doocy live in washington with the very latest. peter, i guess they reconvene 1:00 tomorrow which leads them oh tons of time to avert that fiscal cliff you are hearing from administration officials down here that republican the senatech mcconnell the is trying really hard to figure out a way to avoid the fiscal cliff public. >> we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the expwrort leader can make to his conference. >> at yesterday's white house meeting, president obama did not offer negotiators anything new. he just tried to sell them on the same plan he outlined last friday, being called plan c. since the president's plan a and speaker boehner's plan b both failed to gain traction. plan c would extend middle
countdown to the fiscal cliff. there are some signs of hope this morning. and it oob thanks to republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. peter doocy live in washington with the very latest. peter, i guess they reconvene 1:00 tomorrow which leads them oh tons of time to avert that fiscal cliff you are hearing from administration officials down here that republican the senatech mcconnell the is trying really hard to figure out a way to avoid the fiscal cliff public. >> we had a...
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the senate has been meeting, but on matters unrelated to the fiscal cliff. the house will not meet until sunday, it looks like. there was a particularly pointed comment yesterday from senate majority leader harry reid aimed at republican house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of house of representatives to get what they want. >> here was the speaker's response to that comment. senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. now, this will bring us back to the price of milk. this is not technically part of the fiscal cliff, but it's because congress was not able to pass a farm bill this year. because of some strange 1949 price supports, the price of milk could skyrocket at your local grocery store. could go up a few dollars gallon if we revert back to that 1949
the senate has been meeting, but on matters unrelated to the fiscal cliff. the house will not meet until sunday, it looks like. there was a particularly pointed comment yesterday from senate majority leader harry reid aimed at republican house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of house of...